General Petraeus or General Betray Us?
I think the Democrats better back the hell up (well, technically MoveOn, not the Dems in general, but the association is clear unless there is a widespread denouncement). Calling General Petraeus "General Betray Us," is way over the line, and likely will backfire. And, it's a rip off of Harry Shearer with no attribution (Harry's use was a joke BTW).
There are many reasons to question the US motives over going to war with Iraq in the first place. I am no friend of the Bush administration on that front. The run up to the war was atrocious, completely fed on lies and manipulation, but those atrocities should not be held against the military, nor against General Petraeus.
Petraeus is very well respected, and in fact pioneered some of the counterinsurgency techniques that have actually worked in Iraq (along with being one of the writers of the recent new Army field manual on that same topic, something he championed when the Army did not want to hear it). Here again, none of the tactics that have worked seem like a revelation to anyone that has read anything at all about counterinsurgency tactics: treat the people with respect - even prisoners, "unity of effort", live among the people, go in light with a small footprint not with heavy force, killing is not effective, the people are the prize not the territory, etc - but they are a change for the US military, nonetheless.
The Army COIN school, arguably started far too late (1996), teaches these tactics now, and Petraeus recognized them long before that school was started, and put them to work in the field.
Petraeus is not perfect (his assessment of the Iraqi Security Forces he was in charge of training has been criticized), but he is a very capable military leader that has shown proven results, results that even the Iraqi people seem to have responded to. Bashing him may not be the best course of action for the Democrats - especially BEFORE his final report is even available (give him a chance to call it like it is first, then respond).
Regardless of how you might feel about how and why the US got into Iraq, the reality now is that we are there - and only recently have we even begun to try to actually fight an "insurgency."
His highly anticipated "surge" report will likely conclude that the surge works to quell sectarian violence, and will recommend we keep it up. Though, it will probably be more focused on dealing with sectarian violence, as opposed to insurgent terrorists. As much as I was against going into Iraq in the first place, and though I have absolutely zero trust for the Bush administration, I think at this point we have to trust the military, and I respect Petraeus. Let's listen to, and scrutinize, what he has to say, but let's not ignore him just because he happens to be stuck with President Bush.
I often disagree with the tactics of MoveOn (and the substantiation for this one is pathetic), but this really goes out to them AND other Dems trying to dismiss the report before it happens - be careful there. I don't think the anti-war, anti-Bush sentiment in the general public extends to making fun of well respected generals. Petraeus is no Zinni, but he is also no Franks.
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As predicted
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/10/petraeus.moveon/index.html
And, I had not seen any publicity at all about the campaign before I wrote this, good or bad. All sides are now distancing themselves from MoveOn. Not a very bright tactic on their part, now independents and everyone in the middle ground has less of a reason to ever listen to anything MoveOn has to say (not that they did already, but, this campaign was just stupid). I sure hope the Democratic party was not officially involved, if this is their type of strategy they are screwed.
OK, I am going to call you
OK, I am going to call you on some shit here...
This "people need to disavow something" crap is out of hand. Nobody expects the GOP to disavow Coulter or Malkin or Hannity's latest abomination. I have never heard anyone from the clergy disavow Bill Donohue or even Eric Rudolph for that matter.
Was MoveOn.org out of line? Very likely. Frankly, the whole concept here is flawed, and the whole idea that Petreus is somehow setting policy is wrong. He is, in the end, a soldier. His job is to execute his mission to the best of his ability. I'll be honest here. I watched his testimony, and he came across as the kind of officer I would expect in the top echelon of our military, right up until he started showing graphs. Frankly, he kept talking and showing graphs that said nothing like what he was saying. Sure, you could *sell* them that way, if you didn't understand point and slope or delta graphs. Either this man, whom I think is worthy of respect, can't read a graph, was ill briefed, or is full of shit. Quite frankly, after I have lost all respect for Colin Powell, it is my opinion that this administration exploits loyalty to spread disinformation. Either knowingly or negligently, I think Petreus is party to the same problem.
Yes, he established a lot of our counterinsurgency doctrine. Even early in the Iraq War he created a highlight as a field commander, using captured Iraqi funds to pay Iraqis to pick up the trash, keep the lights on, and direct traffic. The kind of thing we should have been doing nationally. Just like the Powell-doctrine over overwhelming force, though, in the face of pressure from the administration, this kind of community policing and peer relationships was sacrifice to political expediency. Now we are to believe that arming militia groups and manipulating death tallies has actually improved the sectarian security situation in Iraq. Something tells me in 4 or 5 years,, Gen. Petreus will be publishing a Tom Clancy co-penned autobiography that sounds a lot like a lot of the other former military people from the Bush regime.
Horse hockey. Just like I
Horse hockey. Just like I would expect any self respecting Republican (whether or not that is an oxymoron being another matter) to disavow shit like the "Swift Boat Vets" crap, I would expect the same from Dems on this. O'Lielly, Malkin, Hannity, Coulter, and that crowd, even as ridiculous as they are, are not PACs affiliated with the party (well, at least not officially).
And, my point was, not that Petraeus is perfect, but that he is damn good, and bagging on him, whether or NOT he is good, is exactly NOT the way to get yourself elected. Stupid move all around on the part of MoveOn, if they want Dems elected that is.
You make valid points about the mertis of his testimony (I wrote this before his testimony even happened, early in the AM the day of, when I saw the stupid ad), but that is really not the thrust of what I was trying to address. I think he is a bit more independent than you give him credit for, but I was disappointed in the actual testimony too. Either way though, pulling stunts like "betray us" is a perfect way to piss off the "idgits," rather than cater to them at exactly the time you had the opportunity to do so.
Hypocritical Righties
The right-wing has no standing to complain about name-calling. They forfeited the right to complain because their own name-calling is standard operating procedure.
Opponents of the war? "America haters" according to Bill O'Reilly. No outrage on the right at this attack on the right to dissent.
Women's rights advocates? Feminazis, according to Rush Limbaugh. No outrage on the right.
Liberal politics? Treason, according to Ann Coulter. No outrage on the right at this attempt to enforce ideological purity.
Kids have a saying that perfectly describe "conservatives" in this country: They can dish it out, but they can't take it.
Congress even dumber than MoveOn
I think the MoveOn Petraeus crap was completely counterproductive. But, the other day when congress actually passed a resolution condemning said ad, that was even dumber. Doesn't our congress have actual things to do, why do they even need to address this PAC ad, much less vote on a resolution. Congress finds a way to sink even lower in my eyes, freedom fries reprise.