Screaming Penguin - Source Does Matter

Oh come on, you can probably name a hundred Cocoa apps or Flash-based web pages for each client-side Java app you can think of. Perspective!!

Yes, but (a) apple doesn't maintain flash, so that is... uh... pears and oranges comparison to the point and (b) of course there are way more Cocoa apps. That doesn't really make the case that apple shouldn't support Java, though. Sure it would be great if everything in the world ran on Java, but that isn't really a likelyhood.

OK, dude, you're server-side and I haven't been for a while, so you tell me: do you unit test on your own machine (with maybe a test db or mocks for your persistence), or do you unit test on an actual server? I'm just wondering how much it matters that your desktop OS be able to run the Flex Server or ColdFusion, if in practice it's possible (or maybe even desirable) to just NFS mount (or whatever) your dist directory over to a server and unit test over there.

Here's the thing... People DO run and test on their local machines. Indeed, the whole Flex Builder development experience is kind of based on that. I don't run DBs on my machine most of the time -- I would PREFER to do it that way, but our AS400 hell makes that impractical.

Trust me, as soon as Flex Builder becomes hard to run on OSX, there will be a firestorm.

I guess the advantage of an Apple contribution would be that you'd pick up a Cocoa AWT implementation... and hope the community could keep it up to date.

And the Swing LAF... Yeah.