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So here is my point, the

So here is my point, the Java world in general is still coming around to 1.6. Up to now, or at least only within the last year, I don't think 1.6 support has been a show stopper for your average Java developer.

I think this is true, but here is the rub... For all Josh want's Java Desktop apps to have a good experience, and for all Sun is putting into unfucking the browser plugin and whatnot, Apple trailing so far behind cramps their style.

While I don't think Desktop App relevance is as important as Chris does to get Apple to support Java, this puts the whole thing in a Catch-22: Apple doesn't support it because desktop Java is irrelevant -> Desktop Java can't get relevant because Apple doesn't support it.

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