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Did that save desktop

Did that save desktop Java?

In and of itself, no. I would argue, though, that was Java's fault, not Apples. However, lack of Java support on Mac seriously damages the possiblity of desktop Java seeing widespread adoption.

The cycle is Apples current wanning support might be symptomatic of desktop Java not seeing widespread use.

The thing is, if MacJava was maintained outside of Apple, then it wouldn't even be an issue. I think Ruby and Python being part of the core distro show that if it is available, Apple will bundle it even if it doesn't add to the consumer user experience. Java on the other hand, Apple (presumably) expends a good deal of money to maintain. I think if that maintenance could be offloaded to Sun and OpenJDK with Apple working on it only at the "distro" level -- making sure it works OK and maybe doing look-ahead tweaks to the native stuff -- then Apple would have MUCH more reason to keep updated Java in the core distro than they do even Ruby.

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