Political Musings before the election

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Before the election I just wanted to state a few things about my positions and solicit feedback from others, then sit back and watch the fray. Warning, this article talks about some controversial things such as gays, abortion, race and guns, it is not intended to offend but it certainly may, cope. (Also note that is a rambling article written with abandon about my personal views and does not reflect any views of this site or anyone else involved with this site, feel free to rip my views to shreds but dont hold it against the penguin.) My personal political philosophy is one of being in favor of personal freedoms and less government overall. That said I do believe the government has a place when societal rights are at odds with individual rights and there is a tangible real collision of the two. (What I mean is that just not liking what another group is doing is not enough, there must be a real impact on society not just on ideals for a "collision" to be present and government to get involved). I also believe very much in a more central authority, federal government, and a global interaction of governments. With those ideals I should be a great Republican. Based on the definition of the word and the "standard" Republican ideas of liberty and less government. And I DO agree with many Republican views. However the Republicans always lose me entirely on Religious and Lifestyle issues. Republican candidates in my area are *very* adamantly anti gay, anti abortion, and pro monotheistic Judeo-Christian religion. By anti Gay I mean stating openly that same sex benefits should be illegal, stating openly that same sex partners should not be allowed to adopt and blatantly stating openly that "God says it aint right so thats why its bad". I find the anti gay thing a HUGE problem as I see it as an overall character flaw that reveals a deeper problem in the way that persons brain works. Gay people are people. I am not personally gay but have no problems with gay people ("not that there is anything wrong with that"). What consenting adults do behind closed doors in a bedroom is none of societies overall business, there is no collision of any rights there (people might not like the idea, but only ideology is affected not a tangible affect). Not allowing gay people the SAME rights (not special rights mind you, but the SAME, equal, rights) is ludicrous. If your brain sees gay people so differently that you would disallow a gay couple benefits, or adoption of a child, then your brain does not work clearly, logically or fairly. Simple. This type of discrimination based on sexual orientation is the same vein that fought vehemently to keep black people slaves and then later to deny black people and women the right to vote. Its the same closed minded abject misunderstanding and ignorance and if it exists in ANY part of your brain then I personally dont trust any of the rest. Then the religion in government thing is another matter, again very serious flaw. There are reasons religion should not be in government regardless of how religious any person is outside of government. These were the founding principles of this country, today they are largely ignored and or trampled. Then abortion, thats another discussion but basically if you dont want one, then dont have one, legislating who can and cant have one is stupid, legislating it with the zeal for it the Republicans show is borderline lunacy. There go the Republicans. The Democrats are basically out in my book because they in general want more government, more regulation and more tax money for programs that I do not think the government should be involved with. I do agree that poor people need help with the rent, hungry people need food, etc, and I give money to charities that do those things but I do not think it is the role of the government in most cases. However, on the Democrat side many dont have the character flaws that I see in Republicans (as outlined above) and therefore see the lesser of the evils even though I dont agree with their approach. Then the Libertarians. These are in general the group I agree with the most. Government out of peoples lives. No national income tax, realize that drugs being illegal is stupid, no problems with gays, no issues with religion out of government (for the true libertarians anyway). The issue I do have with Libertarians is guns. I dont think we should outlaw guns but I do think we have a gun problem in the states and we need to deal with it. I think enforcement of existing gun laws would be a great first step, on this point I agree with the gun advocates. No new legislation but use the existing stuff. However, I also realize that that might not be enough and in my view this is a clear case of where societal concerns may outweigh individual preferences. This is a case where a tangible "collision" is present, people in everyday society that dont want sidearms are killed because of a culture that does not address gun problems. I say preferences and not rights because I dont think any reasonable person would ever outlaw guns. Simply greater control such as having a license like is required to drive a car and background checks wherever you buy a gun, etc. Now gun advocates do argue that this will just inconvenience legitimate gun owners and not help the problem. To that I say that it is an inconvenience but one that is well worth it for overall society and that it *might* help the problem. They say that then "only outlaws will have guns", I say exactly. Then we enforce the existing gun laws and use the resources we have been devoting to drugs to clean up actual victim affecting crimes such as gun violations. On the gun issue I give the Libertarians their props for being consistent, no government, anywhere, but at the same time thats where they lose me. Back to the "collision" and societal rights versus individual rights. In all of this then who the hell do I vote for? Well, after learning my lesson in past elections I have come to think that voting for the ideal candidate, the one you agree with the most, is not the best course of action. I vote for the one that I think CAN win that will do the least damage. Its lame to vote this way I agree, but I think it is more wise than voting for someone with no chance whom in the end makes no difference at all (my apologies to Harry Browne whom I voted for in the last 2 presidential elections). In the upcoming elections I will probably be voting for a few Libertarians and mostly Democrats. That said I almost at this point think it will be good if the Republicans do win it all, so I may change and vote a few Republicans. I say this not because I think Republicans will do a better job on any issue (contrary) but because I think if they control the Pres and the Congress they will trip over their own agendas (so to speak) at some point in the next two years and then when the next election comes there will be great backlash against the party, and that next election includes a President. I think that if Republicans have it all for 2 years they will alienate enough core voters and constituents that the next elections would be a landslide the other way. The question is how much damage could be done by one party (any party) in complete control for 2 years? On the other hand if the Democrats win the Senate and the House then it will make the President that much less powerful because he showed up in an unprecedented number of districts to push his candidates. If those candidates dont win then those who did will not like the President very much (for campaigning against them) and not be afraid of his influence any more. At that point the split might be healthy for the country overall (congress check on executive power) but that would just leave the opportunity for each party to continue to blame the other right up until the next election. Maybe one party should have the power for a while? Well, whatever happens, go vote.

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Guns: Just read about this new 'fingerprint' thingy for guns. Executive Summary: IIRC, they'll take a 'fingerprint' of the grooves in the barrel *before* the gun is sold. This print will go into a national database. Then if/when a bullet matching this fingerprint is found in a crime scene, the good guys'll be able to (hopefully) match it and then go get the guy instead of having to try to find the guy, get his gun, and then see if it matches (assuming they can find it.) Their is little/no burden on the purchaser, it is simply knowledge that this procedure has occurred. I hafta say, I don't see anything wrong whatsoever with this. It is so patently "enforcement" as opposed to "control". (nothing gets those NRA-types hotter faster than some "gun control" legislation; "gun law enforcement however has more appeal.") I guess it is goes along the lines of requiring fingerprints to get your driver's license. It just seems like a good idea to me. Voting styles: Atrox, I do agree with your new voting methodology. I don't like to 'waste' my vote. If it comes between picking one of the two mainstream party's candidates, I will most likely go that way. If some jackass is gonna be in power, I'd at least like a meaningful say. Lesser of two evils though it may be, at least I feel like I have a chance with mattering towards the outcome.

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i agree with that measure on guns mutt. i had heard briefly about the barrel printing but was not familiar with the details. i think you also make a great distinction between "Control" and "Enforcement". i agree with the finger print for drivers licensesd thing too (although it was soundly defeated a few years back in ga when talk of actually doing it came up). all these type measures do is help. they help the good guys catch the bad guys and they help exonorate good guys that are falsely accused (or they eliminate the possibility and waste of time of that accusation in the first place). yet these are the issues that freak out the gun people, privacy people and the Libertarians. thats what i mean by discounting or disregarding the problem. no we should not have gun bans, but we should acknowledge we have gun problems and work on ways to deal with it. the libertarians are not willing to do that.

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I guess I differ a bit on many things here. I am really not opposed to "Big Government". There are just certain things that take the coordinated efforts of a society -- scientific research, space exploration. Other things I think DO require regulation, and likely more -- consumer protection, environmental protection. I do have to say, though, the social issues drive me to madness. The fundamentalist Christians have hijacked the GOP agenda for so many years now, it's hard to remember a fiscally conservative, internationally recidivist GOP. The laughable thing is, and I just said this to my office mate a while ago, the Greens are now what the Democrats SHOULD be and the Libertarians are what the Republicans SHOULD be. I admit on the guns thing, I personally wouldn't mind seeing a complete ban on handguns. I know that will never fly. I grew up in the south with hunters of all descriptions. I have been hunting and enjoyed it. I think the NRA does themselves a disservice when they oppose EVERY, SINGLE, DAMNED bit of regulation of guns though. Fingerprinting weapons and ammunition, requiring the guns to be sold with triggerlocks, a 5 day waiting period to buy a gun, restricting the number of guns you can buy to 1 a month. These aren't extremist, or really even limiting, and yet we see Moses telling us that god said "Thou shalt have weapons that flow like the rivers of the land."

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I agree on big government too, when it comes to issues such as what you have listed. Environment, consumer protection (limited), , etc are items that do require government. These are clear cases where the collision of a individual rights and societal rights is present and has a TANGIBLE effect. (Same is true in my opinion for guns). The environment is a great example. That must be protected in spite of what big business and industry wants because it is more valuable to the society as a whole than not protecting it is to one company or industry (or for that matter on this one, all companies or industries and the economy itself, i know some will scoff at that but its true, clean air is more important than all of the economy combined). This is where I see the role of goverment, but not in prayer in schools, not in abortion clinics, not in health care, not in prescription drugs and medicade medicare, not in welfare programs that drag on for upteen years, not in dumping tons of money into foreign aid etc. (dont get me wrong on these things, I ENTIRELY beleive in helping the poor and indegent and in foreign aid, etc, but I think it should be more of a private matter rather than funded by taxpayers). Also for the record, I think that if programs such as welfare and socialized medicine or medicaid medicare etc could be MANAGED PROPERLY that they would not be so bad, but it is my view that proper management of items such as these by governmental entities is IMPOSSIBLE, therefore the government should stay out and let private organizations handle the social issues. Great point on the party shift and awesome Moses quote.

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Gun "fingerprinting" is actually quite useless. First, when a gun is tested, it is brand new. It is estimated that it will take only 10 to 20 shots for the fingerprint of the barrel and firing pin to be physically altered to a point that they are no longer a match. Secondly, it is EXTREMELY easy to simply change out the barrel, change the grooving in a barrel or change the firing pin in order to change the fingerprint of the gun. Finally, most guns used in crimes are either stolen or black market, so the system would be pointless anyways. That being said, I completely agree about having a license to carry and own a gun. Before I was allowed to own a gun and go hunting I had to go through gun safety courses every single year. Licensing and proper training are logical and the NRA will never get my money because they fight any legislation promoting this move. I mean, you need a friggin license to cut someone's hair but you don't need one to own a weapon??? Get real. Myself, I'll probably be like Mr. Atrox here, except vote for Republicans. Although I find their social agendas totally repugnant and their religous undertones repulsive, I think that for security matters and economic concerns they are the best bet. I would rather go Libertarian all the way, but oh well. One day maybe we can hope for either the main parties living up to what they are supposed to represent or a viable alternative.

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i think the ballastics changing the barrel thing might be harder to do that you report. yes you could physically change the barrel, but just firing the gun changes it? hmmm, maybe, but not sure why this would even be brought up if that was the case. ahh the days of the hunter safety courses. i know you will find this hard to believe but i got hunter safety certified several times when i was younger. my bio father and grandfather were very big hunters where we lived in rural Wyoming. i mean very big, we had elk, deer, bears etc and we ate them. that was basically all we had to eat for a time. thats were people get me wrong on the gun control thing. i am NOT one of those "oh dont kill anything" people or an anti-hunter just for the sake of it. i know about hunting and have been around it. i am not a hunter myself and for the record i deplore the morons who hunt for "sport" but i understand hunting for food and hunting responsibly. now the hunters can hate me, but if you want a damn "sport" then as i have always said, take your knife and chase down a deer and cut its throat, thats a sport. shooting one from 20 yards above it with a rifle while drinking a beer in a deer stand where you have seeded the ground with corn for two years is not a sport. i know this is a tangent, but oh well.

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Hitler had everything control. Its exactly sentiments like yours that are why we have such a gun problem in the states. You dismiss dealing with it outright and thats stupid. We dont need to ban guns, but come the @!#$ on, we have a problem in the states and we need to do something to make America a safer place to live. We have statistically far too many violent crimes that involve guns and we need to figure out why and figure out how to help. Again, we dont need to take guns away from law abiding sane people, but why in the hell cant we acknowledge the problem and face up to it. Hitler also had a way disregarding reality and not dealing with problems, you embody that magnificently.

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