I think Michael Moore is a great filmmaker and a very adroit political commentator. I do not agree with many of his socialist stances, however I do agree that problems exist in the areas of corporate responsibility, guns and violence in the US and the Bush administration's members ties to questionable foreigners (these three are the general subjects of his last few films, Roger & Me, Bowling for Columbine and the yet to be released Fahrenheit 911).
I have seen several of his films (my favorite is Canadian Bacon, written produced and directed by Moore, of a less weighty tone that the works that have made him famous, to put it lightly) and in each I am struck by the skill with which he exposes real issues, I dont always agree with his implied solutions, but I greatly respect his willingness to at least address real problems and get people to react (favorably or not, at least after you see a Moore film you have some feelings on the subject ;).
All that said when Miramax made Fahrenheit 911 and then decided not to release it many people cried politics. Fahrenheit 911 is about the Bush administration and their family ties in business and industry that includes some "questionable" foreigners (such as the Bin Laden family). I have not seen Fahrenheit but knowing Moore and having read some of the reviews that state that much of the films contents have already been revealed in works such as "Dude Wheres My Country" its safe to say its very ANTI Bush. So does not releasing it mean politics?
In this case I dont think so. Disney owns Miramax and told them not to release it. I think that was likely just a business decision and beans to do with politics. Lets face it, more than half of the country is adamantly PRO Bush and many people loathe Moore. If Disney did release this film, even through Miramax, then they would lose money and piss off a lot of their standard fare customers. Companies certainly have a right to make these type decisions. (And I think that a distinction can be made between not releasing a film for a film company based on direction from its parent and censoring content in a paper, magazine, tv show or film, etc, the latter being not cool and should itself illicit outrage from consumers.)
Fortunately for Moore and his Fahrenheit film the founders of Miramax, the Weinstein bros, have purchased the full rights to Fahr back from Disney! The plan to release the movie soon. It likely wont get the promotion and widespread release that a Miramax film might have gotten, but at least it will get released.
For more on the issue of Fahrenheit 911 and its new owners see the linked BBC News article. Weinsteins buy Moore movie rights
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Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
Like at this point, they need promotion for the film. Personally, I think they planned the whole thing. I mean, Disney said they would sideline the movie months ago, but they went ahead and trotteted it on the festival circuit. I suspect they were getting all the free press they could before taking over the film. It will now be a hot property without any advertising.
I also disagree that its not politics, remember that Disney owns a double digit percentage of the real estate under Bush's brother, and is pretty much tax exempt. They are in a very very sensitive position in terms of taking retribution for the film.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
An I used to actually respect Moore, but then I read "Stupid White Men". He has become the Ann Counlter of the left now.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
I dont think it really was politics as much as it was just a business decision. I am from Florida, and used to live next door to said property, yes its tax exempt but it has been so for, well, ever, democrats, republicans and whomever in power in Florida. Disney is simply smart, and I dont think the company with same sex benefits and all the "liberal" policies they are known for that has garnered the ire of the right in the past (to the point of a Baptist boycott and such) is bowing to any politics. They just know that this will be a VERY CONTROVERSIAL film, its not just the type of thing that some people wont like, its the type of thing that will really offend and put off some people.
And I really still respect Moore quite a bit, that Anne Coulter crack wasnt fair man. Yeah hes over the top sometimes, and as I said I dont agree with all of this conclusions, but Ann Coulter analogies. Geeze man that was some cold **** there, low blow even aimed at Moore.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
Care to explain how the hell this is business, but a company deciding to not show an episode, (not alter it mind you, but not show it in its entireity,) is politics? Come on man, that's a bullshit line if I've ever seen it.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
I mean, really, it's always about politics when that happens.
1) This is about a movie, not a TV show. It's not like Disney has scores of advertisers it might somehow alienate by distributing the movie.
2) If Disney's corporate interests were not so inextricably mixed with the Administration, the Bush family and the GOP as a whole right now, I don't think it would be a big deal. However, when the brother of the subject is governer over the state where you have such a capital investment, when you are getting a free ride from the FCC on all the media regulation changes you want, when the GOP Congress is letting you make up your own copyright laws, hell yeah you aren't going to rock the boat.
Disney is certainly a company more known for its "Liberal" social policies, but frankly I can't imagine their refusal to release this is about anything more than fear of retribution.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
try reading the article captain bullshit.
(And I think that a distinction can be made between not releasing a film for a film company based on direction from its parent and censoring content in a paper, magazine, tv show or film, etc, the latter being not cool and should itself illicit outrage from consumers.)
not airing an episode AND STATING OUTRIGHT IT WAS FOR POLITICAL REASONS is censorship (regardless of the stamement actually, but point of fact that ass clown tv ownership co we are talking about said it was politics).
not airing an episode is altering the content, i would be just as pissed if disney said hey lets release it but lets clean it up.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
yes agreed on "fear of retribution" but i think fear of retribution from consumers. they rely on consumers who put together disney owns what on the whole, and then boycott and so on.
maybe there is some politics, but either way in this case i see it as the business has the right to make this decision.
in the case of tv station ownership company X altering or not airing ONE EPISODE of ONE PROGRAM on network X, that i think is easy to distinguish from this. that is censoring one scene in a movie but still releasing it, and while STILL A COMPANIES PREROGATIVE AND CERTAINLY SHOULD NOT BE ILLEGAL, its bullshit and should raise the ire of that companies consumers, and this frankly isnt the same damn thing at all.
Re: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
Hey, I ain't saying Disney is doing anything illegal, and it is their perogative. I just ain't saying it's not for political reasons or that it's right. I still stand by my original take, though, all the controversy will do more for the pic than if they HAD actually released it.
RE: COOP - Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Mo
I wasnt saying that you said it was illegal, and wasnt calling you captain bullshit. that stuff was aimed at the comments mutt made and his reference to an earlier post that we had a discussion about when some media company (dont recall the name) decided not to air nightline or 20/20 or something (whichever is abc) and stated it was for political reasons (the episode where they aired only the names and pictures of the people killed in the iraq "war").
RE: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
see. you need threads. ;p
RE: Miramax founders the Weinstein bros buy rights to Moore fil
yeah, i know, thats now on the TOOD, but coop tends not to use them anyway ;)