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Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
Portions of the NIE report were leaked and it states "the American invasion and occupation of Iraq has helped spawn a new generation of Islamic radicalism and that the overall terrorist threat has grown".
This story really should come from the "no shit" department.
The world is far LESS SAFE after the invasion of a secularly controlled (with Islamic populace) sovereign middle eastern nation which beforehand was not an external threat and was cooperating fully with UN demands. The invasion itself has increased the motivation and justification for (perceived or not) terrorism and Islamic fundamentalism. (And for the pundits that are saying "duh, the terrorists dont like us attacking them!" - please pay attention - this finding does not indicate that the existing terrorists we were already fighting are mad because we are fighting them, rather it states the intensity and motivation for terrorism in general, globally, has been increased - "new generation" - as has terrorism itself.)
Who could ever have guessed that would happen?
Time is up in Iraq? - Mar 17 2003
One final rant on Iraq - Oct 4 2002
And we now also know, with complete certainty, that the entire Iraq==Terrorism connection, the one that is the "hardest part" of W's job to explain, is total bullshit. That is also something I have asserted all along.
The reason I point this stuff out is not to pay myself on the back, but rather to ask what in the hell is going on when I can see these obvious issues beforehand, being just a jackass blogger, and the U.S. administration either cannot or will not (either way is inexcusable). This was obvious stuff BEFORE and its still obvious now - yet to this day the President and the entire administration keep spouting "we are safer because of Iraq".
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RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
geez, why didn't you say so sooner, could've saved us a whole war or something.
heheh. right on man.
RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
Thats the sad part man, I wish SOMEBODY could have saved us a whole war - or something. Lots of people said this stuff, smart people (not just idiots like me).
RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
The real thing to be concerned about now is who is Bush going to attack next? Will it be Iran or North Korea?
I don\'t know what excuse would be used for attacking Iran but the threats from Bush have been pretty clear.
In the case of North Korea there\'s the excuse that they want to become a Nuclear power. Of course that can\'t be allowed, especially not by the only nation that has actually used nukes against another nation and has continually threatened to use them against others ever since. Yep, we can\'t let those North Koreans have nukes, that would be dangerous. Perhaps that\'s why Bush threatened to use nukes to destroy the North Korean enrichment plants.
RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
> The real thing to be concerned about now
> is who is Bush going to attack next?
> Will it be Iran or North Korea?
Venezuala is probably more likely... they have a President who is stirring up the US and they have lots of oil and are threatening not to sell it to the US.
There have already been some "with us or against us" comments from the Whitehouse about Venezuala and some accusations of helping terrorists. All the usual sort of noises that seem to come before an invasion these days!
I think I'd be getting worried if I were Venezualan.
RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
Wonder what the folks who disagreed with you in 2002 and 2003 think now (referring to the comments from those posts)? I think they are the folks that should be feeling like jackasses.
RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
As one of the participants of the 2002 'discussion.' I can say that I most certainly don't feel like a jackass. As a matter of fact, I feel pretty good about it.
Nothing's changed except that I'll go a lot further with agreeing with atrox about the lack of proof now...
I can honestly say that I'm stunned that nothing ever showed up. Not that I knew it was there or anything, but I really did believe that the powers-that-be wouldn't be so blatant about the lies they told. Apparently, I was very, very wrong about that.
RE: Jackass blogger gets it right on Iraq?
Well I don't think the views of mutt were that far out there. Some of the others were though, off the charts.
My entire point then though, as it is now, was that it did not matter if Saddam had weapons, he just was not a threat, either way - and attacking him would make the world less safe as opposed to actually dealing with the root causes of terrorism (lots of discussions from back then elaborated but basically, he had no way to deliver WMD even if he had them - the inspections were working, the UN did not say "lets just forget him, hes not bad", rather they said "look we know hes an asshole, what we want is 30 more days for the inspections to continue" - the US said "we know where the weapons are, its such a threat we have to go now, we will be greeted as liberators, "weeks not months" and that Iraq==terror and Iraq==nuclear weapons - all bullshit).