Some thoughts on Trackbacks/Pingback

At Musings today distler notes how useful trackbacks are for commenting externally on web content in general. Zawodny, however, proclaims Trackback dead.

Now, you may not know this, but the penguin, through the magic of my external trackback handler will actually send out trackbacks and pingbacks it can autodiscover. While we could accept incoming trackbacks, it has just never been hooked into the legacy PHP code as we work on the Java version. Anyway...

Trackback is a really great thing. Jeremy is right that Technorati is better in the world of, well, most blogs at this point. However, like FeedSter or PubSub is really dependent on the database knowing to query a website, whereas Trackback and Pingback are based on an active notification from the commenter. There is a real advantage to the second point. Pingback does have signifigant advantages over Trackback, however, the fact that Pingback doesn't encode a function GUID in its autodiscovery system the way Trackback's embedded RDF does is a real drawback. It means that "singular" content hosted at mutliple URLS (for instance, you can hit this article via www.screaming-penguin.com, screaming-penguin.com, totsp.com or www.totsp.com URLS) can be problematic since, to spec, the URL being referenced is an XML-RPC argument, rather than something encoded in the "hit" URL itself.

Now, Google and (I believe) Yahoo support the new rel="nofollow" which is intended to cut back on, or at least render ineffective, trackback spam. In distlers case, the Trackback receiver simply maintains a whitelist of known good linkers. Of course things like MT-Blacklist can also help manage this, but it is always going to be a problem.

Comments

RE: Some thoughts on Trackbacks/Pingback

I read Jeremys post last week, was sort of ambivalent since we dont really make big use of Trackback, yet. I think they can be useful, but yeah the black or white lists are a good idea, we are getting a ton of even comment spam now, wherever the assclown spammers can be jackasses, they are jackasses (new law of the universe). Its unfortunate but yeah its there, still I dont think its a reason to give up, its a reason to improve (as you stated) - I mean I still use email right?

RE: Some thoughts on Trackbacks/Pingback

I find it funny you say trackbacks are good, but you don't have them on your blog either.

My take on the whole thing: http://shadowconflict.blogspot.com/2005/08/trackback-is-not-dead.html

RE: Some thoughts on Trackbacks/Pingback

TotSP does have Trackbacks, via our new framework. And yes overall I think they are good, but not perfect, as in Coopers post.

RE: Some thoughts on Trackbacks/Pingback

Well, and as I noted, we simply haven't hooked the java trackback server into the PHP penguin code, but that aside...

I think trackbacks or pingbacks are *good*. I think an active notification technology, vs a passive scan one is a good thing. My real point as to "good vs bad" is that the trackback notification system is better, while the pingback autodiscovery system is better. Frankly, given the number of people that fuck up (a) simple valid XML or (b) the whole RDF syntax in there Trackback autodiscovery is just... saaad. Pingbacks is much simpler, but it doesn't have an encoded document value like the RDF does.

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