A lesson in Peace

Submitted by sticks on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 09:53

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From an email circulating on the net. With all of this talk of impending war, many of us will encounter "Peace Activists" who will try and convince us that we must refrain from retaliating against the ones who terrorized us all on September 11, 2001. These activists may be alone or in a gathering.....most of us don't know how to react to them. When you come upon one of these people, or one of their rallies, here are the proper rules of etiquette:

Listen politely while this person explains their views. Strike up a conversation if necessary and look very interested in their ideas. Calmly explain the 9-11 attack was the second attack on the WTC by the same people. They will tell you how revenge is immoral, and that by attacking the people who did this to us, we will only bring on more violence. They will probably use many arguments, ranging from political to religious to humanitarian.
In the middle of their remarks, without any warning, punch them in the nose.
When the person gets up off of the ground, they will be very angry and they may try to hit you, so be careful.
Very quickly and calmly remind the person that violence only brings about more violence and remind them of their stand on this matter. Tell them if they are really committed to a nonviolent approach to undeserved attacks, they will turn the other cheek and negotiate a solution. Tell them they must lead by example if they really believe what they are saying.
Most of them will think for a moment and then agree that you are correct. As soon as they do that, hit them again. Only this time hit them much harder. Square in the nose.
Repeat steps 2-6 until the desired results are obtained and the idiot realizes how stupid an argument he/she is making.

 Carlton "Carl" Cox
 Navy Veteran
 Retired Firefighter

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Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by Bwaha (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 10:15.

Hey Carl do it in a crowded completely dark room it'll be a better analogy of the present situation. You *******!

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by jeepmutt (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 10:21.

I don't get it. What's the dark room suppposed to represent?

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by atrox (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 12:12.

I think this email displays a profound ignorance about why I opposed attacking Iraq. I cant speak for "peace activists" because I dont proclaim to be one, but for me, this email is totally missing the point. The email AGAIN hinges on 9-11. This has NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH IRAQ. MORONS THAT KEEP MAKING THIS CLAIM ARE JUST THAT, MORONS. Iraq may be ruled by a brutal dictator and all around bad guy, and I bet the DO have WMD, but the fact is that they did not attack the United States and NEVER HAVE attacked the United States. All this terrorism crap is just a specious attempt by the US government to justify their actions, and an ignorant attempt by many individuals to justify their own views (which they apparently arent totally comfortable with or they would not keep repeating claims that are totally unproven).

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by jeepmutt (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 13:04.

OK, see, I thought this was kinda funny. I didn't mean to profoundly disturb anyone. Didn't say that I agreed with it or anything, I just giggled when I read it, so I thought I'd share. Calm down, fellas.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by atrox (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 14:16.

Well I dont think punching people in the face over something that is totally an incorrect statement is funny, hmmm, excuuuseee meee.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by jeepmutt (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 14:21.

Correction: over what you believe to be a totally incorrect statement. And your excused.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by atrox (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 18:15.

Correction of your correction, there is NO EVIDENCE of terrorism or Sept 11 link, NONE, thats not me making it up because of my bleeding heart liberal bias, that what is called REALITY. IF you have some evidence that I am not aware of, by all means, let me, and the world for that matter, know.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by jeepmutt (not verified) on Mon, 03/24/2003 - 20:48.

Not saying there is evidence or not, my contrary friend. I am saying that you saying that it is a FACT that there is no link between Iraq and Sept. 11 is nothing more than your opinion based on what you 'know'. I've not seen any hard proof either, but that doesn't make it a fact. It makes it a valid working theory, not a scientific law. It is completely and utterly possible that said evidence will be discovered. What happens to your FACT then? It is proven 100% wrong. There was not evidence that the world wasn't flat, either.... until there was. I'm really not trying to provoke you here. I'm just pointing out that just because you aren't convinced, doesn't mean that it is reality. You don't think that the U.S. should be 'attacking' Iraq. OK, everybody here knows that. All I am saying is that a lack of evidence proves nothing. It (obviously) doesn't prove that the link is there, but it just as surely doesn't prove that there is no link. You'll notice that I've not posted a single pro/con since this whole thing started. Quite honestly, I can't get my head around the idea that there is very little difference between what's going on in Iraq and what would be going on if we were to decide that Mexico would make a nice 51st state. But you can't sit there and tell me that just because no one has proven that something has happened, (and will happen again,) means that it won't. Is there other life in the universe besides that on Earth? According to the arguments that you present on Iraq, the answer is a resounding 'NO!' Why? Because no one has proven that there is. At least no one has proven to your satisfaction. Now, to get your blood pressure down, I reiterate, I'm not trying to convince you that the U.S. is justified. I know that is not possible, and I wouldn't go there anyway. But come on, saying that something is reality because there's no visual proof is more than a little close minded. I believe that you usually call people like that assholes.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by atrox (not verified) on Tue, 03/25/2003 - 07:57.

Well, you are still missing my point. What I said, and I will say it again even at the risk of it again being misunderstood, is that there is NO PROOF OF A TERRORISM LINK. NONE. Thats what I said, thats ALL I said, that again is what I said. That is a FACT. Does it prove that there is no terrorism link, NO, I never said that it did. What it does prove is that there is no evidence, the FACT is that there is NO EVIDENCE and in the absence of evidence it would be fallacious to ASSUME that the link exists. It of course is also an ASSUMPTION that they DONT exist, but the fact of the matter is, again, that the US and the UN and the WORLD are have been looking for the link and despite even trying to fabricate it (the nuclear materials documents that are fakes) they have not. Its simple, I dont know why you find it so hard to understand, regardless of your stance on the issue, which is irrelevant. Regardless also of what I think about the issue, the facts are that no evidence exists. I am not a pacifist, not opposed to the war just because I think "war is wrong" outright or some stupid **** like that, or because I think Saddam is innocent, quit the contrary, but because I dont think it was justified before it began. And I find it very egregious that ANYONE, much less the US government, would try to equate Sept 11 to Iraq in order to justify a war in Iraq simply to play on the emotions of stupid people that will buy that bullshit much like the author of that email. For the record, I am an ******* as well, but that has nothing to do with what I am saying. I am not saying something is reality because their is no proof, I am saying something is the current known situation in the absence of proof otherwise.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by nathan (not verified) on Tue, 03/25/2003 - 08:26.

I suppose now would be a really bad time to remind you that Saddam offered substantial rewards to the families of anyone who carried out terrorist attacks against the US after 9/11?

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by jeepmutt (not verified) on Tue, 03/25/2003 - 08:37.

Mea culpa. I did in fact misunderstand your statement. I interpreted your "Correction of your correction, there is NO EVIDENCE of terrorism or Sept 11 link, NONE, thats not me making it up because of my bleeding heart liberal bias, that what is called REALITY" sentence to mean that the REALITY was that there was NO LINK not NO EVIDENCE.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by atrox (not verified) on Tue, 03/25/2003 - 09:22.

You have mentioned that several times. Is that your justification for the war? You seem to be pressing that, is that the reason for the war? If so then you need to press that we attack about every arab nation. After Bush put Iraq on the "axis of evil" and then threatened "preemptive strikes" (both brilliant foreign policy moves) Iraq was pissed at us, say it isnt so. Also note the word you keep repeating in your little statement is "AFTER 9-11". The entire point of this discussion is that Iraq has not been proven to be responsible for 9-11. In fact they have not been proven to be responsible for any terrorist act against the US. Do they have the US, hell yes they do, as do many nations, does that justify a war? I guess to you it does.

Re: A lesson in Peace

Submitted by atrox (not verified) on Tue, 03/25/2003 - 09:24.

ok, geeze, i looked up mea culpa, mea culpa from me too. my statement was over the top, but its based in the context of this thread where the email the dude sent out says "punch them in the face" and then keep doing it, etc. now i realize that he was being provacative to make his point, but since his entire argument is based on an assumption for which there is no evidence i find it riduculous and reacted as such. sorry my bad, er, mea culpa.